HOME   People do good because they are human, not because they are religious! 

Do not give God any credit for the good they do, they did it!

 

The problems that God is supposedly the answer for
 
1    The beginning of the universe

 

God supposedly made all things not out of anything.  The error here is in assuming time is about three separate tenses, past, present and future.  In fact time is more blurred than that.  The universe did not start with the big bang.  There was something before that to explode. The way time is not tensed means that the past and future can be one.  If that can happen then nothing can turn into something or something has turned into the universe.

2    The fine-tuning of the universe
 

If there is fine-tuning it is not truly good in the sense that for all the designing the maker of the universe did, he failed to be truly good and to make a truly good universe. The fine-tuning is not so great now then! The perfectly fine-tuned hospital is badly fine-tuned when you realise its morality is based on a bad motive.  What if say it is so good just because the maker wants to be seen as a good god when he is not good?  Fine tuning is not much of a help in relation to faith in God when we have no case for a creator God who made all things from nothing.

3    The laws of nature

 

They are not literal laws.  They are just things acting as if they have rules.  Order can just happen 
 
4    The laws of logic

 

If there were no God or nothing, it would remain true that a cannot be not a in the same way at the same time.
 
5    The laws of mathematics

 

2+2 = 4 no matter whether anything exists or not.
 
6    Information (the genetic code)

 

Related to the fine tuning argument.
 
7    Life

 

God is not life himself in the way we are so God is irrelevant in this matter. He does not eat or breathe or even struggle with choices.
 
8    Mind and consciousness

 

God is not a mind at all for how can there be a mind without a body?

9    Free will
 
10    Objective morality

11    Evil
 
ANALYSIS

Everything hangs on the last three. All the creating and fine tuning in the world cannot mean anything without them.  They cannot mean anything for the believer in God.

 

The best way to handle the last three [Free will, Objective morality,  Evil] is to show how God is useless for the core moral issues.
 
If God is not good then it follows that he did not give us free will to choose or reject him and is bad if he did. It is like a trap.  It is a trap for choosing him is choosing evil. The alternative is also evil. As for morality, God fails to make it valuable or important or true. If it is true then it is true regardless of what he thinks. Indeed he is only in opposition to it and offers a counterfeit. The notion that evil suggests there is a God is interesting. The idea is that God and goodness are in a sense the same thing and evil is good that is in the wrong place and time. Evil is not real but a lack. For evil to exist a greater good must exist. God must exist if evil exists. If evil were real and not just a lack or absence of what should be there then the reason why God cannot exist is that he cannot create evil. But what if hypothetically he did not make it but it was there? So we see the problem is not with evil being real but with the idea of a perfect creator of all things making it. That is as immoral as saying terrorists should have nuclear bombs as long as they don't make them! But if evil just exists then that is nto God's fault.

Naturalism – is the idea that nothing in the universe cares about right and wrong but just does what it does. The moral person is in reality just the product of amoral nature. The trouble is even if there is a God and there is something like original sin the universe could have broken with him and he says, “Go and have it your own way” so that it functions as if there is no God. It is not true that God is essentially a safeguard against naturalism. Sam Harris argues that wellbeing and morality are one and the same thing – a view worth thinking about as at the end of the day the potential to be well and healthy maters more than anything else. What good is love if health does not matter first and foremost?

Purpose -

Abortion – if my finger started growing by itself into a kind of person with a brain I would have the right to cut it off even if just to have a normal life. The woman's body is treated by nature as life support for the baby and she must have the right We can agree with abortion though seeing it as a grave but necessary evil. Nature has inflicted that evil on us.

Forgiveness – that is about leaving the past in the past for the bad person cannot go back and change it. God has nothing to do with this. Bringing him in is a sign that you don’t really know what you are doing – you are not truly forgiving.. If forgiveness is a duty as Jesus said then it is a cheerless thing that you don't deserve praise for.

Marriage – even God cannot really obligate two people to stay together as spouses. If he can then how come death ends the obligation? The obligation is relative.

War – once a war starts it is happening not because of justice but because it is now unstoppable. A just war is a myth. You can only have a just declaration of war but not a just war. Whoever says they do not warmonger cannot boast for they do the one thing worse than making war: lying in such a way as to enable war. They insult the victims by calling a war fair. They insult the civilians and even their own soldiers who fight in such a sordid cause. It is a very cold and vicious lie. Only those who declare a war have a chance to know if it is just. The soldiers who obey them do not know. They are as good as guessing. Soldiers are hardly heroes of the battlefield for they have no choice from that point on but to kill. Making them out to be heroes is just glorifiying their evil.
 
Religious freedom - no God religion tells people why they should join it or should stay away. They only get one side of it and when it looks like God wants it that way that is hardly any incentive to respecting religious freedom. We know that chances are that we would not be in a particular religion if we really had a free choice.


Suicide – if nobody who is fully healthy or well commits suicide then morally speaking the suicide is never a bad person. Morality cannot be trusted or used to lessen suicides. Suicides believe it is wrong but that does not stop them nor do they feel it is that simple. It is luck not morality that keeps us alive for morality is no help in such a foundational matter. Plus even if most suicides are deliberate we cannot know that and have to assume they don't know what they are doing fully. That encourages people to commit suicide for it is too soft but what can we do?

If you steal from x you could return the money to x or you could give it to some child whose need is huge. Reason cannot tell you what to do. Thinking will not help.
 
All these problems show that as God fails to support morality and is only its enemy that we cannot say that logic and maths are grounded in God.

 

The answer individually fail and fail as a whole.