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Comments from my facebook page givenomoney2catholicchurch

2018 Post on papal visit to Ireland

Pope is taking advantage of the Irish tax payer by posing as a real head of state https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/how-did-the-holy-see-get-recognition-as-a-state-it-just-did-1.1664452

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2018 Pope Francis abrogates Catholic doctrine about capital punishment being wrong – it is now totally inadmissible - and lies this contradiction is a development of doctrine not a repudiation of Catholic doctrine

The notion that LGBT should care about the pope, Jesus or anybody’s approval of gay lovemaking is homophobic and a sign that they have internalised homophobia. However, the pope needs to declare the Leviticus verse null and void. “God said: If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)” It makes no sense to admit that capital punishment is morally intolerable and murder and have the Catechism of the Church refer to this verse which blames the victims for their own murder. A revision is needed. It is grossly improper that the liturgy should honour the Old Testament when it is very liberal with approval for capital punishment and commands that they be stoned. It is dishonest how the liturgy is selective with readings to hide and conceal the violence.

The Catechism is open to recognising that condemnation of homosexuality is only an opinion:

Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained.
Unexplained means it could be a gift of God.

The only way and the fastest way to force a development of doctrine on the subject of gay sex being morally good and a sacred act of love is to ignore and oppose current church teaching and that will lead people to see that if there is a Holy Spirit then that is his will. Same sex marriage is not a sin but a sacrament for it only church leaders not the Church itself that ban it. The Church is yet to accept what its real doctrine is and that takes developing. It didn’t know 50 years ago that its authentic teaching is that capital punishment is never justified.

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My Comment to Josepha Madigan Culture Minister for demanding that the Church empower itself by ordaining women

Women who avail of abortion and their doctors are accused of violence! The majority of us don’t really need organised religion to feel we have purpose. Being Catholic is inconsistent with the fact that abortion is a fundamental human right, the right to choose when to die, the right to oppose Jesus and Christianity for their abusing the Jewish people, to oppose him for attacking their Temple workers, to oppose how he said the murders by stoning of people (gays, adulteresses, statue worshippers) to death was fair and right. Jesus by any historical standard had to be homophobic. The Catholic faith is an evil and it must not be painted over. Consider how the Easter vigil blatantly gloats over the drowned Egyptians. Consider how Mary is degraded and worshipped for her degradation. Consider how the claims of the Church – that Jesus rose and that the pope is head of the Church fly in the face of history. Be better than your religion and walk away and don’t be enabling lies.

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My Comment on Fr James Martin's page regarding his vehement opposition to Donald Trump's separating children from their immigrant parents.  Fr claims the religious support for Trump is insane:

 http://www.bibleinterp.com/PDFs/BiblenotFriendofImmgirants.pdf This is a scholarly explanation that the persecutors of the children get a religious placebo from the Bible and its alleged divine inspiration. Fr is just playing on peoples ignorance of the Bible and getting a salary for it. Faith is a placebo which is why people expecting it to stop abortion etc is bizarre. It in fact makes abortionists feel better about what they are doing.

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Comment on Fr James Martin's page: Our Jesuit priest said two things that stuck out in my mind. 1) when one begins to talk about who is or is not allowed to receive communion, one is on dangerous ground because that one is standing between God and his people. 2) Scripture says “ take this and eat” , It doesn’t say , “ take this and stick out your tongue” I found the first one profound and the second one made me giggle.

My response: Does not change the fact that communion is passive aggressive according to the following teachings of the apostle Paul. It is not a parent's right or choice to let a child have anything to do with it. Some things are non-negotiable. "Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God. In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval. --- Whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world. So then, my brothers and sisters, when you gather to eat, you should all eat together. Anyone who is hungry should eat something at home, so that when you meet together it may not result in judgment."

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On James Martin SJ Facebook page 2018

To gay man Juan Carlos Pope Francis said: "God made you gay. Juan Carlos, that you are gay does not matter. God made you like that and he loves you like that and I do not care. The Pope wants you like that, you have to be happy with who you are."

The popes words are a waste of time when no effort is being made to repudiate the Bible teaching that homosexuality as in sex acts is a sin. I accept that it does teach that and have no time for revisionist lies that it doesn't for the lies are so hollow and really just fuel opposition to LGBT rights. We need a direct formal declaration that that teaching is rubbish. The veneration of homohobes such as Moses, St Dominic, St Thomas and St Augustine needs to be dropped. It is no excuse that they were men of their time for we would not be saying that if they wrote against people of colour the way they did gay men. If somebody reads Leviticus and imagines God once commanded for gay men to be stoned to death the Church is responsible if that person then feels entitled to hate gays or be suspicious of them for it is the one saying the text is from God and the Bible is his word. Same sex marriage is a fundamental human right and its high time priests started performing it without a mandate from the Church. We know the Church is unlikely to stop them or to try to anyway so we need change from the bottom up.

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2018 on the journal facebook page

Regarding history being removed from Irish schools as a compulsory subject for a certain level

Schools teach history yes but history overlaps a little with other subjects such as Geography. The children in religion class are told that Jesus rose from the dead and that the pope was always head of the Church which fly in the face of history. The sources contradict both assertions. For example, the gospels let down the Church by not saying if Jesus was stolen from the tomb or not. They never say why the body was missing but only that it was. Jesus could have been stolen and still risen. The bishop of Rome was gradually turned into monarch of the Church and the lie that he was boss caused the Orthodox to excommunicate the Western Church as a sect for the doctrine was a novelty and contradicting the Catholic doctrine that doctrine can develop ie be understood better but not changed or added to. 

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2018 - photos turned up showing a priest having sex with a man on a Catholic altar in Ireland

Some are worried about poor priests being offended. It does not matter how nice they are they revere a book that commands that gays be stoned to death without mercy and which says God commanded it. Id worry about that instead of some shag on an altar. The altar is not sacred in the first place except in people's superstitious imagination. It is a religion of deliberate lies. We are never told how Jesus condoned paedophilia when he banned wives from divorcing though many of them were children and remember the girls consent was never looked for when she was taken to the marriage ceremony. They claim to be the update of the religion that God gave Moses. Thus they have to take responsibility for what was done in the name of the Hebrew faith and that included obeying a God who wanted pagan altars smashed. How do you think Christianity got rid of paganism? By sacrilege. I would waste no pity on them and I hope it starts a trend.  A pope, John XII used to dedicate the blessed communion wine to the Devil.  He toasted Satan.  Liutprand who was Bishop of Cremona and a gifted historian and writer and papal diplomat who died about 972 spoke of several witnesses to how John drank to the health of the Devil.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Kevin Moir's comment.

Kevin Moir I think money is important to religion but largely it thrives on the human desire for fantasy and how a lie begins to sound like the truth when told often enough. It is a placebo for evil. Plus the leaders get an esteem they are not entitled do so that is a big motivation as well behind vocations to the priesthood and religious life. Id say Christianity and Islam feed off passive aggression.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Paul Jervis's comment.

The Bible does more than just condone evil. It clearly says God wanted say disobedient sons put to death and Jesus told the Jews off for not doing it anymore as long as they got money to suspend this law from God. To read a book of violent revelations from God ignores the fact that people who got the revelations acted on them and were meant to. And what if the literal interpretation is the right or intended one? Literal or not the Bible and Koran are a bad influence. To read stuff about God ordering people to be stoned to death is not good no matter what the interpretation is

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Mark Mcguire's comment.

Christopher Roberts Christians are told to love God totally with all their hearts and their neighbours as themselves. The latter however is supposed to be about acting in a helpful way to the neighbour. In fact, what you have is people helping others solely because it pleases God. I have a problem with that. What kind of person would help a sick baby for God and not for the sake of the baby? The order in the commandments is pro-god while any benefit to humanity is just collateral.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Mark Mcguire's comment.

Mark Mcguire We have to live in a real world. Secularists and Christians alike don't really know how to handle crime. You never know if a court does the right thing. Criminals should be bitter at how people as bad as they are or worse get away it and if they don't and go to jail. Funny how Christianity for a divinely inspired religion has huge hole where we need advice and guidance on handling criminals. It is useless in things that count but good if you want to do wrong and need a spiritual placebo. And why has the whole Catholic priesthood turned a blind eye to clerical sex abuse? It took secularists and unbelievers do take action. Religion and being a good person are not the same thing.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Ellie McKay's comment.

If I need help and a devout Christian helps me, I feel they are doing it purely out of the love of God which means they are not doing it for me but for God. That intrinsically imposes their faith on me for I need people to care for me as me.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on BBC Sunday Morning Live's post.

The topic should be "Should Islam appear more British?" It takes more than making mosques look like usual British buildings etc to make Islam seem British. What about the substance of the religion? What about the difference between Islamic and British values? For Islam, you are to take the utterances of a holy book as those of God even though many of those utterances are violent.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Dana De Vito's comment.

Yes. Everybody has faith but not everybody has a religious faith. We have faith it is safe to go to work tomorrow and some of us that believe that not because we think there is a magic angel watching over us but because we do not. We know that life is usually safe. Some feel less safe in the hands of magical beings for the reality is that even if they exist they are no guarantee that things will always be okay. I think religious faith needs not ridicule but needs the believers to be encouraged to think. If religion is untrue people need to think their way out of it.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on BBC Sunday Morning Live's post.

In Ireland recently two teachers who worked in faith schools died. The man murdered his wife and then terrorised the three children they had and slaughtered them and then hanged himself. The Catholic Church had no response to this but pious platitudes and the man was buried with his family. His faith was hailed. He was the one who got all the Christian love at the funeral.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Asma NG's comment.

If you are telling the truth then why are there no quotes from the Koran about this alleged equality?

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Sue Galley's comment.

Sexism as in women leering at gymnasts and divers in the Olympics does not lead to the danger of rape and sexual assault. Men leering at women does - it is not the same thing.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Iftikhar Ahmad's comment.

Rabbi David Meyer, Partnership for Jewish Schools, says faith ...
It is interesting that Catholics claim their schools are the best. This poster says Islamic ones are the best. Lots of people lie about how good their schools are.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on BBC Sunday Morning Live's video.

Rabbi David Meyer, Partnership for Jewish Schools, says faith ...

Faith education is one thing. But faith education in a kind of faith be it Islamic or Catholic or Mormon or whatever is a separate issue. Most of us get by with vague faith. We just need to feel that our efforts are worthwhile when we try to make things better for ourselves. Things can get okay. You don't need religion to feel or think that. Experience and life teaches you that faith. That is faith and any other faith is a distortion of that principle. Religion manipulates the schools and the public in the name of faith.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on BBC Sunday Morning Live's video.

Sarah Ditum, Journalist, says "women have been left out".

The statistics show that a huge proportion of men have a bad attitude to women. Women are objectified as servants and sex objects. Even God is referred to as if he were male. For Christians he is male - Jesus! It makes no sense to haul somebody before the law for making a racist remark and to let somebody who says something worse about women away with it.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on Atheist Ireland's link.

Athy lesbian couple return to ‘packed church’ to retake roles
irishtimes.com

Jesus was just a man everybody else. He was a bigot so the likes of Murphy could be a good Christian.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on an article.

Pope Francis Proclaims Mother Teresa A Saint

Mother Teresa was the biggest example of somebody who does "good" not good. The problem is how the Church enables her message and makes her a saint. Pope Francis and his cronies are passive aggressive in how they ignore the truth. A religion needs to be condemned more for the evil it opens the door to than what it does or has done.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on BBC Sunday Morning Live's post.

I feel that as the Church lives off donations from its members it should create a happy home for them. Without their money there would be no Church. People say a religion is entitled to preach whatever it believes God said. But is it? Holy books say God condemns homosexuality and loving sexual relationships outside of marriage. Thus they oppose fundamental human rights.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Tracey Pattison's comment.

Don't be so silly. Jesus did endorse judgement and judged a woman for having had several husbands.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Raymond Troake's comment.

In a sense you are right. When Jesus banned women from divorcing thier husbands those women were children when they wed. So he affirmed the rape of girls in marriage as a good thing. His own mother would have been 12 when she gave birth.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Sean Joseph's comment.

The New Testament is only a new agreement with God not a contradiction of the Old Testametn which Jesus took pains to support even to the extent of saying an adulterous woman deserved to be stoned to death. He did not let her be stoned simply because the accusers were hypocrites but it does not imply he was against her being stoned full stop.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Jim Backinsell's comment.

Love is overrated. The Buddhists emphasise compassion which involves trying to put yourself under the other person's skin. Love is arrogant in the sense that it claims to know what is best for another. Sometimes what is called wrong is actual the best thing to do Many forms of love seem to do good but good is often the enemy of the best. The Christian teaching of love is probably the answer as to why that faith has been so dangerous and bigoted and hypocritical and proud.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Steve Cleverley's comment.

Phillip Warburton The fact that even if believers cherry pick that they would regard a book with such a statement as God's word in any sense is subliminal homophobia at least

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Wayne Antaw's comment.

Nick Smith The tooth fairy might as well be in the Bible. Why not say all things were made by a tooth fairy who is infinite spirit? When you say all things were made by a God who is a spirit and a non-material being why not?

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Wayne Antaw's comment.

Nick Smith The snake is now a representation of evil? The story could be literal for people believed in odd things those days. Stop reading modern rationalism back into the Bible. There is no evidence that the snake is a representation. Unless there is clear direction that a text is not literal people should not be taking it non-literal. What next? If Jesus' body turns up will Christians start speaking of the resurrection tales as non-literal? That would just be trying to hold on to a man-made error ridden faith and distort the evidence.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on BBC Sunday Morning Live's post.

We need to remember that even suspecting gay people are unnatural creates a divide. More inclusiveness please!! Do not forget that people fear anything seen as unnatural and fear that it leads to a slippery slope.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on BBC Sunday Morning Live's post.

Who cares if homosexuality is unnatural anyway? Is oral sex between husband and wife natural? Asking if it is natural is suggesting, "Maybe it is unnatural". We need to stop caring about the natural/unnatural stuff. As long as lgbt people are striving for their own happiness we need to mind our own business

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on an article.

Former president Mary McAleese: Seminaries in Ireland should be 'gay friendly'

I am tired of that well-educated woman blaming the Church for being homophobic as if Jesus himself is innocent of it. I want her to blame both. And her Catholicism teaches that the Church is Jesus with us which is why the Church is regarded as infallible. The Church homophobia comes from a homophobic man who thought he was infallible and who thought his violent evil Bible was infallible.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on BBC Sunday Morning Live's post.

Mother Teresa and the Paedophile
newstatesman.com

Mother Teresa had no problem if a priest was abusing children. She did not care. http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/nelson-jones/2012/01/mother-teresa-mcguire-abuse

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on BBC Sunday Morning Live's link.

Vatican Prepares for Mother Teresa’s Canonization
ncregister.com

A manmade religion that claims to be from God simply has to end up dodgy. It already is even if it does not know it. Mother Teresa was about using the plight of the sick and dying to make Catholicism smell of flowers. And the evidence that Catholicism is from man and not from God and that there are problems with Jesus's ethics is overwhelming. I call a religion that won't update its teaching when new light comes up fundamentalist. Notably there is no process in Catholicism for dealing with extremists. The Church will not punish you for shooting abortionists in the name of religion. But it will give out half hearted meaningless condemnations to keep itself looking good.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Brendan Butler's comment.

Vatican Prepares for Mother Teresa’s Canonization
ncregister.com

You help people because they need help and are people and not because you love God. I would not want somebody helping me who was only doing it for God.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on BBC Sunday Morning Live's post.

I think the burkini should be allowed and I can see why a woman would wear one for skincare. As for the burka and certain religious outfits worn by Catholic extremists such as the unkempt beards and hideous robes worn by the likes of the Franciscan Friars of teh Renewal which disturb people and harm integration Id ban them

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Gavin Russell's comment.

Patron Saint of Paedophile Priests?

It has already happened. The Vatican itself thought Padre Pio was molesting women. It was sure of it and then went back on it when it seen how popular Pio had become. St Joseph Calasanz was discovered to have covered up clerical abuse. http://www.romancatholicism.co.uk/patronofpaedophiles.html and St Don Bosco quotes can be found online in which he admits to having an attraction for little boys

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Grace Dalton's comment.

Yes Grace I agree. If one really thinks God is love then God will do the right thing whether asked or not. To get a saint to influence him is saying the saint is better than him. The saint thing is really just a cynical Catholic ploy to attract people who want to have their other gods. They just call their gods saints. People forget as well that pagan gods with their flaws and limits are more like saints than gods. Catholicism is pagan.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Simon Hildreth's comment.

That's Tim Stanley. I have had a number of battles with him through the comments on his articles in the Telegraph. What disturbed me this morning is that the sceptic lady gave the well-known proofs that Mother Teresas miracle cure of Monica Besra was fake and that the Vatican manipulated the evidence and Stanley showed no reaction and tellingly didnt deal with what she said but went off making out that occurrences that people think are strange such as surviving accidents but which are not in a fact strange are miracles. He knows fine well religion is bunkum but waffles away and does not want to say. He made no sense.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on Northern Ireland Humanists's link.

The Entertainer opens in Belfast CastleCourt: No Harry Potter figures, no Halloween stuff... what parents say about city's toy store with a difference
belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Those who think that Harry Potter and troll dolls do harm mean that the harm is subtle for they hold that Satan likes to act and look good and does evil bit by bit so that nobody can see how they have caused the harm. What people must ask is this. What right have I to say demons use such things or even exist when it leads to accusing others of wittingly or unwittingly promoting the most evil power in the universe? That is extremist and dangerous. It is too big of a thing to get wrong if it is wrong, The Bible is vehemently anti-occult or anything that leads to it so the shop is just being truly Christian.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Jon Whitworth's comment.

Official is often in the eye of the beholder. Catholics think official Christianity is Catholicism while Mormons would beg to differ.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Alex Chamy's comment.

Yes. I find that with religious revelations supposedly from God that command violence, nobody worries about them until some people start obeying those revelations. The Koran has to take the blame for some Islamist violence same as the Bible version of God has to take some blame for the religious crimes committed by Christians - eg people being killed during exorcisms and the violece of the Lord's Resistance Army. And what about Christians who claim to be pacifist while they look forward to fighting for Jesus at Armageddon?

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Kevin Monaghan's comment.

He probably thinks political correctness will protect him as the liberal nonsense spurts out of his mouth. I wouldn't be too hard on him though for the pope has a bigger voice and is just as ridiculous. The pope would deny that Choudary is a Muslim and a cleric.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Chris Seven's comment.

Catholics who supported the Catholic Church in the dark ages despite its violence and often because of it were like turkeys voting for Christmas. Religions that invite violence against each other invite it against the most vulnerable people that it classes its own as well.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on BBC Sunday Morning Live's post.

To say a violent scripture is from God IS EXTREMIST. Not all extremism need be like ISIS.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on BBC Sunday Morning Live's post.

Don't forget that Choudry has indeed killed people with words but what about Christians who RETROSPECTIVELY kill people with words too. To say the Bible is authored by God and that the writers only wrote what God wanted is to agree with the murders and genocide commanded by God. Jesus knew about that and had no problem with it. Be careful what you worship!

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What Hillary Clinton Should Say about Islam and the “War on Terror”
samharris.org

https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/what-hillary-clinton-should-say-about-islam-and-the-war-on-terror

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on an article.

Pope Francis on violence against children, "“One time, I heard a father in a meeting with married couples say ‘I sometimes have to smack my children a bit, but never in the face so as to not humiliate them’,” Francis said.

“How beautiful.” he added. “He knows the sense of dignity! He has to punish them but does it justly and moves on.”

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Dan Skitch's comment.

It Takes More Faith to be an Atheist
atheistrepublic.com

Life can come from non life when a tiny seed can draw in dead nutrients and turn them into part of itself and grow. Just because we cannot make life from scratch does not mean it cannot be done

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on BBC Sunday Morning Live's post.

The other issue is with him is that he insults and rewrites history by claiming to be the head of Christianity on earth. In fact the bishop of Rome gradually got that status by stealth and lies over time. People died during the transformation of the bishop of Rome into the vicar of Christ. Jesus saying Peter was the rock did not imply Peter was going to be the only rock and rock does not necessarily denote infallible head of the Church on earth.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on BBC Sunday Morning Live's post.

It is appalling that this morning Pope Francis was spoken of a top peacemaker. How could a man who said gay love had no similarity to heterosexual marriage, who said children should be hit, that the Charlie Hebdo victims brought it on themselves, that Islam never is violent (he must know the Koran gives a mixed message on religious violence just like his own Bible) and that transgenders are the annihilation of mankind be a peacemaker? He advocates hatred against the "sin" of abortion and takes no responsibility if people lose their reason and start killing abortion doctors to save unborn lives. To put him in the same category as the Dalai Lama is insulting.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Darren Romain's comment.

Knowing right from wrong is one thing but applying it is another. When a religion says God uses evil to do good with it it is in fact saying that evil and good are compatible. Is it any wonder that girl was confused about right and wrong?

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Lee Porter's comment.

Relativism is a cult yes and a poison and people need more relativism detectors. Relativism is like a supernatural thing. People imagine they can make something moral just by believing it is moral. That is pure magic. That is why I say that though it does not necessarily look religious or spiritual it is. And as an atheist, I am well aware that Islam with its doctrine that morality is only moral for God says so and Christianity with its Jesus who made stoning women to death right in one era and allegedly made it wrong in this one are both relativist.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on GCN's link

Not surprisingly, the bishop of Raphoe will continue sending students to Maynooth


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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on GCN's link.

This book, breaking the silence should be read by all interested in this scandal

The coverups lead to further coverups

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on Friendly Atheist's post.

Gibraltar Court Rules That Catholic Mother Can’t Baptize Son Without Atheist Father’s Approval
www.patheos.com

The man and woman are making a big deal out of the baptism for opposite reasons. Only one of them is right. He wants to protect his child from somebody who cannot see that you don't need baptism or religion to be good. She is making the biggest deal so she deserves what she gets. She imagines the baptism will marry her child to her evil God and her lying religion and save the child from hell.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on Friendly Atheist's post.

Gibraltar Court Rules That Catholic Mother Can’t Baptize Son Without Atheist Father’s Approval
www.patheos.com

Of this case somebody commented “Making such a big deal [of baptism] really goes against our atheist cause.”

Whose side are you on? The father needs support for it is his choice not yours to oppose the baptism. Baptism is a big deal when it commits a child to a faith that has violent scriptures and threatens  unbaptised with some punishment. Is that the kind of message you want a child to hear.

Plus the fact that for religion it is a big deal and that is important. Infant baptism is the number one reason why Christianity has so much power in society and schools.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on Friendly Atheist's post.

Gibraltar Court Rules That Catholic Mother Can’t Baptize Son Without Atheist Father’s Approval

www.patheos.com

Child baptism is evil for it accuses the child of needing forgiveness and ignores the fact that unbaptised people are generally as good as baptised. Its a quack rite that commits you to an evil violent God of lies and murder such as you find in the Bible.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Aaron Rieder's comment.

Gibraltar Court Rules That Catholic Mother Can’t Baptize Son Without Atheist Father’s Approval
www.patheos.com

Aaron Rieder For many religions such as Catholicism baptism is more than a dedication ritual. The Church says it creates an "ontological" change. And the child becomes duty bound to obey the cruel and superstitious rules of the Church. And dedication to a God and Jesus who were downright vicious in the Bible is not a good thing.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Brandon Mikula's comment.

Gibraltar Court Rules That Catholic Mother Can’t Baptize Son Without Atheist Father’s Approval
www.patheos.com

It is not about that man and woman only. It will give more rights to others in similar situations. The fact of the matter is that a secular state should not care about a spiritual ritual and thus has the right to order that parents like that man and woman should leave the baptism decision to the child.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Philip Martin's comment.

Gibraltar Court Rules That Catholic Mother Can’t Baptize Son Without Atheist Father’s Approval
www.patheos.com

A law against forcing membership in a religion on a baby or child would need to ban child baptism. It would seem odd to ban forms of child initiation such as circumcision and not ban infant baptism. Baptism is not violent like circumcision but both reflect one bad principle and that principle is that religion and faith matter more than the child. That principle is where the violence starts and gets enabled.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch likes Beware of False Kabbalah's photo.

Karen Berg and "The Light"

Ever wondered why Karen Berg, the leader of the Kabbalah Centre cult, keeps referring to "the Light" when she appears to be speaking about the Creator? Why not just say, "the Creator" or "YHVH יהוה" - why does she keep saying "the Light"?

The Zohar does not use this way of referencing the Creator, it uses "The Holy One Blessed be He", or "the Creator" or "Hashem"

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Mary Haybyrne's comment.

Monica Gallen If you would read the Bible, the book which the Church hails as God's infallible word, and see all the violence that God commanded. Women were stoned to death for adultery. Babies were slaughtered in genocide. If you are Catholic or Christian your faith is founded on blood. Maybe some day ISIS will be preaching peace but that does not change the fact that it does not hate violence enough to drop its scriptures.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch likes John Halligan's post.

Unspeakable, horrific scenes from Orlando today. My heart goes out to all those affected. Not long after the first anniversary of our historic referendum, we're reminded in the most brutal fashion that there are still vicious bigots who want inflict their hate on the gay community and attempt to derail society's inevitable journey towards equality. And again, again, again; the wanton irresponsibility of American gun laws there for all to see.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch likes John Halligan's post.

The Chilcot Report finally confirms what the dogs in the street have known since 2003: the invasion of Iraq was based on a web of lies and deceit which has resulted in the deaths of far more people than were killed under Saddam Hussein's brutal regime. Not only that, it has destabilised the entire Middle East, and its consequences are still being felt around the world, not least with the horrific ISIS bombing in Iraq this week. Tony Blair is culpable. He led his country to war under false pretences.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on Gareth O'Callaghan's photo.

Breaking the silence is an excellent source of information for Church cover up

Raphoe diocese covered up stuff - it was happening all over

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch commented on BBC Sunday Morning Live's photo.

Religious education is not education. Religionists still say the Bible is true despite the repeated and successful debunking of that book. It is the word of man not God. Education about religion would be fine as long as it avoids any unfair influencing of the pupils. Somebody wrote above that you cannot prove a negative – eg that there is no God.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Grace Dalton's comment.

Jayne Challinor The worst thing about Grace is that she is immune to any point of view but her own Christian view. She wastes our time by putting nonsense on as if she is interested in truth. She is not.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to John Mackintosh-Wood's comment.

Tess Wysocki What people forget is that with Christianity and Islam you don't separate religion from anything else. Thus a committed Catholic in politics is expected to do politics religiously or in a Catholic way. You cannot say a Catholic or Muslim nation starting a war is not expression a form of religion by it.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to John Mackintosh-Wood's comment.

Helen Wood Read the Bible. Moses and God waged wars. So did Muhammad in the name of God. Wise up

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Mark Tait's comment.

Grace Dalton You are arguing, "I don't know if it is true therefore it is true". Smarter people than you Grace have found that Christianity is a man-made religion with loads of errors. No historian or scientist is a Christian in the tradition sense. The Christians are more like doubters.

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Pope Francis Denounces Concept of Gender Choice

The pope is a bigot for I feel that as long as a person wants to be the opposite gender they should be allowed to be even if they do not have gender dysphoria. It should be a choice.

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Pope Francis: 'The world is at war' - BBC News
bbc.co.uk

I am not happy with the pope saying all religions are peaceful for that is not true. And he knows it. If Islamic State is not truly Muslim it is still a religion for it honours a violent god. And we must remember that Catholicism through most of its history officially endorsed violence and killing witches.And Jesus had no problem saying the Bible was written by God despite all the violence and hate it condones and commands. And do not forget that Catholicism murdered many of its own in the Middle Ages and nobody says that means it was not Catholicism. Please talk sensible and not be repeating politically correct nonsense.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to David Mark Wales's comment.

David Wales But Islam has no religious authority or revelation from "God" about how to set up this pope. The individual is left to interpret the Koran which means the religion and the faith must take some responsibility for what happens when they read the violent stuff.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to David Mark Wales's comment.

The reason why people like the clerics and the popes and the theologians devote themselves to religions and prophets and a Jesus who are okay with violence and who even commanded it - eg Jesus said that the adulterous woman though he would spare her should be stoned to death for she deserved it - is because they prefer a gray God to a truly good one. It is a symptom of how human nature wants a God and a morality that suits it. Real good is too challenging and too scary. So people make do with a replica of goodness and become do gooders.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Grace Dalton's comment.

Hanif Qadir, Active Change Foundation, says "it's no surprise ...

I praise you for commenting that "The Bible's violence was specific to particular situations; then Jesus taught that, from now on, we must be peaceful. " But as violence is to be seen as a detestable evil I feel that any scripture that justifies it should be dropped. Real people died because of "God's" commands.

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Hanif Qadir, Active Change Foundation, says "it's no surprise ...


I salute your comment, "IS don't represent Muslims - but they do represent Islam. Obviously, most Muslims are terrific people - but they're in fact ignoring significant chunks of Muhammed's teaching." That is true. Man made religion leads to cherry picking and deceit. The media won't admit that non-violent Muslims do not understand their prophet or are cherry-picking for it fears that the truth.

Yes - there are no verses in the Koran saying the violence must be stopped. The verse that says that to kill one innocent person is to kill everybody on earth on Allah's scales is itself hate speech. It does not help to exaggerate evil. But incredibly the Koran says in the next verse that killing is fine. The only way to reconcile the two verses is to hold that there is no such thing as an innocent person. The Koran teaches that everybody is born Muslim until led astray by man-made religion so everybody is an apostate and apostates are sentenced to death.

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Givenomoney2catholicchurch replied to Grace Dalton's comment.  20 November 2016 12:44


You are taking the gospel text out of context. Jesus rewarded the criminal for saying he deserved to die. The doctrine that Christianity does not endorse capital punishment is liberal tosh.