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YOU ONLY FORGIVE WHEN YOU ARE ATHEIST  
 
Forgiveness is defined as ceasing to hold resentment towards a person who did you some real or perceived wrong or ceasing to blame them and to judge them as deserving of punishment.  It is more about declaring the wrong to be in the past so that all can move on than about feelings.
 
Refusing to let go of the pain that somebody has caused you, is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to get sick. It may be that a person who thinks they do not believe in magic are still prone to attempting such magic. Religion and the occult and much of what passes for spirituality, focuses on magical behaviour. That is the common denominator.
 
Forgiveness is a necessary evil. It is not something to be celebrated for it means somebody getting away with their evil. We should forgive only for human reasons. Forgiving to please God or mainly to please him is wrong. It is not about God but about you and the other person.

 

If you hold that forgiving and your forgiving is all about exercising goodness as an end in and of itself, then it is and should be about goodness and not God or anybody else.  You should not care how God reacts to your forgiving actions.

 

Reverend Father, Peter R Scott preaches, "The obligation of forgiveness, even of our enemies, is fundamental to the new law of charity instituted by Our Divine Savior. We all have heard many times of Our Lord’s response to St. Peter’s question: "Lord, how often shall my brother offend against me, and I forgive him? Till seven times? Jesus saith to him: I say not to thee, till seven times; but till seventy times seven times" (Mt. 18:21-22). We constantly pray in the Our Father that God might forgive us, as we forgive those who trespass against us (Mt. 6:12). We know that regardless of the insults directed against us, we must pray for our persecutors, as Our Lord himself did on the Cross: "Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that persecute and calumniate you" (Mt. 5:44).  However, it is not for us to forgive injuries done against Almighty God or against others. We are not those who have been offended, insulted, attacked, calumniated, and it is not our honor that is in question. It is consequently not for us to forgive, but for God Himself, or for the persons concerned. In such instances, of course, we have the duty to pray for the enemies of God, that they might convert and ask for pardon, that they might understand the gravity of the insults directed against God and His friends, or against the Blessed Virgin or the Church. However, it is not in our power to forgive an injury that is not directed against us. How frequent this situation is with respect to God, and how great a desire of making reparation it enkindles in our hearts! Yet only God, who is offended, can forgive, and then only when pardon is requested of Him."

Thoughts: As resentful as you feel when God is hurt you have to live with it.  Forgiving to get rid of it is not an option.  This denies that forgiveness is merely about trying to emotionally feel better about what terrible thing somebody has done.  It says you have no choice but to hate those who hurt God or others for you cannot forgive what is not done to you.  Religion says hate is not a sin when it cannot be helped.  As God is seen as perfect goodness and good to you and the reason you have anything good in  your life at all that is drawing people into quite intense hate against those who disrespect God or ignore him.  The atheist answer is that if you scrap belief in God you will have less wrongdoing in others to worry about.  Oddly enough the faith still has you apologising to God for what you do to others which totally contradicts the claim that offences against God are not our concern.  The Church is provoking hate in a passive aggressive fashion.

 

Nowhere in the Bible, not even when Jesus was active in the New Testament, does God or any prophet indicate that forgiving wrong is fine or even praiseworthy when the offender does not repent.  Jesus expressly rejected that kind of forgiveness in Matthew 18.  Forgiveness without the demand for repentance is not the way God does things and he does not let us do it either for it solves nothing and ignores the fact that the sinner offending you is a slave to sin and in danger of creating judgement and condemnation for herself or himself.  God would be offended if we forgive without caring if the person repents!  That is sort of siding with the sinner against God.

 

The Christian faith has people apologising to God for hurting others. The fact that John was hurt has nothing to do with God for God is not John. The fact is that God’s handwork was damaged but that is a separate issue. You can’t go to God and say, “I confess that I hit John and I want you to forgive me”. What you say is, “I confess and ask forgiveness not for hurting John but for not respecting your rights when I hurt him.  When you forgive me for that I must go to John to get forgiven by him for hitting”. The Christians have been conditioned to go to God for relief when their consciences condemn them but in fact they can’t do that. It doesn’t make sense. This is really about them using religion to feel better. It is evil to apologise to God for John's suffering. Go to John. The matter is not over until you forget God and do that. In so far as you prioritise saying sorry to John's mother for hurting him over saying it to John you are not sorry for hurting him. So it is with God who the Church says comes first. Only crafty people would worship a God who they say sorry to as if it were him they hurt. Who do they think they are trying to fool? For them, God is a fantasy playmate not a God. A real God cannot be fooled.
 
The teaching of love the sinner and hate the sin urges that you think of sin as having no connection to the sinner. An apology means expressing, "I am not that person any more", in one way or another. The teaching that your sins are not to be seen as evidence that you have become evil or partly evil as a person makes that expression impossible. It can only lead to people being sceptical about apologies. We know that hypothetically if it is possible to torture and destroy your evil side then it should be done though it means destroying you. Evil means that which is intolerable and hateful. The love for sinners that Christians display is reluctant love. Christians cannot kill the sinner because the sinner has a good side as well and the power to convert. This means that if they could prove the sinner will never change they could kill him.
 
Only atheists can forgive especially when they exorcise themselves of all magic notions. Religionists who forgive are turning the religious impulses off.
 
Moral systems and especially religious ones say that love is sacrifice. Sacrifice is meaningless if we should not forgive. If we do not sacrifice then we do not forgive either but may go through the motions of forgiving.
 
Religions and moral systems say that there is nobody who is not a sinner. Some say our altruism can never be proven to be genuine so we may be really selfish underneath it all. Others say we care only about ourselves and manipulate all our relatives and friends to make them think its about them and not us. If so, it may be that we need to abandon religion if it implies we are self-centred all the time. We need to become atheists in order to forgive.
 
If forgiveness is not real, then religion has turned forgiveness into a scam. It is about getting us to live our lives in torment and/or self-righteous hypocrisy. Love in its authentic state would be a forbidden feeling.  
 
Suppose overall forgiveness is not good but bad. If we refuse to give people the consequences of their actions then we are doing our best to encourage their evil. Our forgiving people would  be an iniquity for it would be really encouraging the evil of others.
 
If we are sinners no matter what we do, then surely we are worse not better if we forgive for the forgiveness is really about rewarding and encouraging evil in the name of holiness and virtue. If we sin more than be virtuous then forgiveness is dangerous and encouraging people to fool you with their fake repentance. It is asking for trouble.
 
If forgiveness is immoral and two-faced then God did not put us here to become virtuous for then it is dead easy to be virtuous. If it is that easy, then there is no need for discipline or suffering. God is cruel for sending them if they are not just for retribution.
 
There is no doubt that the old saying, “To understand all is to forgive all” is partly true for all human beings have mental aberrations that make them mistake evil for good and do wrong. Nobody wants to do evil but they want the good they see in the evil. Fact. To understand all means that you see that the person meant to be good and to forgive means that you still don’t approve of what they did. But to understand all is to forgive is correct except that the forgiveness is not real forgiveness – how can you forgive somebody that never meant to do wrong? But God sees evil as not understandable but abhorrent which is why sinners, which means people who have evil in their will, rot in Hell forever. He put the moral aberrations in us. And when we develop them ourselves it is because he put the aberration in us that makes us develop them in the first place. The God concept opposes the saying that to understand all is to forgive all therefore the God concept is evil. It is the sanctification of violence against humanity both in the heart and in one's actions. God is evidently a God of hate because he makes sure we will get things wrong and then treats us like anathema even if he does inconsistently give us pardon at times. Or is it real pardon? There is no doubt that belief in God is an evil for it opposes the importance of understanding all. Belief in God seeks to cause division and strife and make decency rot away while pretending that everything is fine.
 
If you deny that to understand all is to see there is nothing to forgive and you are wrong then you are unjustly regarding another with suspicion.
 
Belief in God or gods or spirits who can help us is madness for forgiveness is madness. We can live happily, safely and normally without forgiveness and without the notion that anybody deserves to suffer. The sinister truth about forgiveness is clear proof that God, if he exists, invents morality and morality does not really exist. It proves that theism in all its forms, monotheism, henotheism, monism, polytheism is bad. Any good it does is caused by ignorance and people not thinking but no more makes it good than taking arsenic to cure a health problem is good. It is a deep attack on human rights – and one of these rights is the right not be deceived and not to be made to think that a bad product is a good product. Ignorance does not get people off the hook for they are still doing wrong because they are not thinking and not trying to learn though they should. And we have all met people who see that forgiveness is rewarding sin so faith in forgiveness is blindness and there is no excuse. Anybody that teaches the existence of a forgiving God is furthering a bad fruit. This includes the legendary Jesus who said that you can tell fake prophets by their bad fruits. Bizarrely this young man would have known of false prophets who did not produce bad fruits and yet he said that!
 
Forgiveness is an egoistic act. You deny the evil person the dignity of receiving what they deserve or choose. You do it so that you will feel better. It is a clear proof to psychologists that we are indeed psychological egoists most of the time or nearly all the time at least. If we are that prone to making gods of ourselves then no God would have made us for himself and to love him.
 
We know that if we do wrong, that is bad. But if there is a God its worse for we offend him and break his law that we must do good. It follows then that if its bad to let a criminal or evil person off the hook then its worse if there is a God. It would be an act of malice to try to believe in God when it makes the motivation when you do evil far more evil.
 
Please do not upset yourself by regretting anything you have done. Its done and in the past. Learn from it. Don't bother repenting your so-called sins! They were just learning experiences. You were just doing your personal best. You are the amazing person you are now because of the good and the "bad" that you did! Do not criticise what you or anybody else has done. All everybody does is their own personal best. To criticise is to say that wrong has been done. But if you learn from so called wrong then how can it have been wrong? Don't knock your stepping stones! You used them to make it to today!
 
Jesus said that if God forgives you and you don't forgive another then this is a great sin. He said that unless you forgive all others you will not be forgiven. He said that you need forgiveness to go into Heaven otherwise you will go to burn in Hell forever. Anybody who forces you and threatens you to forgive is making you more resentful against those who have hurt you. Trying to blackmail a person to forgive only makes the situation worse. And forgiveness has to be engaged in freely and not under force. Any compulsion and it is not real forgiveness. It is not opening up your heart to those who have hurt you and trying to move on.
 
It is said that you can find peace and you can move on after someone has hurt you bad without forgiving them. If so, the only way to move on is to tell yourself this and try to believe it: "This is too big for me to handle right now. Maybe it will always be too big. I accept that. I have better things to do than mull over it. I am so confident about this." Such an approach is anti-Christian but if it works then who cares?