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Getting your babies baptised is bad news because:

#  Baptism of a baby involves promising to make the child a believing committed Christian and supposedly makes the child a member of the Church and puts spiritual forces into the child. Baby baptism is the number one reason the Church has so much influence and is so efficient at communication all over the world. For example, it is part of Catholicism's argument justifying Catholic schools.


# The baptism has so many nasty implications that you surely cannot have the nerve to pretend that you are sure the forces going into the child are good ones! Religion is undeniably not all-good so how do you know that the spirit given in baptism or meant to be given is really good? If you don't believe in magic, think about how people are degrading your child by being willing to hurt the child through magic. That is still happening.


# The argument that you choose baptism and Christianity for the child by having her or him baptised but the child is free to reject the faith and the baptism later is pathetic. What if the child dies? Don't underestimate the power of religion to condition a child. Don't risk it. The child needs good training not religion. If you really believe you want your child to be free, you will not mind if she is baptised or not.


#If you think religion is just opinion and so if a child accepts or rejects it then that is okay, that means you cannot get them baptised. Baptism is saying it is not okay if the child rejects the faith and denies that religion is mere opinion but is to be taken extremely seriously. And as we will see the faith is not exactly harmfree in its content and there are unintended bad consequences as well (eg Protestants have discriminated against people baptised in the Catholic Church). And if a religion is man-made it is harmful in itself. It is not fair to have people running after a man-made God and wasting their love on him no matter how good it makes them feel. It is corrupt to let this happen and more corruption will follow.


#If you are serious about a child's choice, she will be baptised into a religion that takes her off the books and celebrates if she finds a faith that suits her better. It will give her the right to defect.


#John I baptise you makes no sense when spoken to a baby. It is a lie.


#God is that which claims to be the source of love and the one thing we should care about, others are only cared about for his sake. Nobody has the right to make such an extreme and grave commitment for a child. And especially when there is no way to prove that God's word really is God's and not man's. Thus it is not true that you follow any religion for God and not for man. If a religion teaches any of God's truth it does it because man says so and not God. Also, if God does not exist then we are actually worshipping what we see of nature as if it were the work of God. We worship nature which is red in tooth and claw and condone its evil. This is a very serious matter considering how much suffering there is in the universe.


#The Church says parents have to speak for the child at baptism and accept it for the child as if they were the child. You cannot choose a religion for your child for you are not your child. Yes you choose what food or vaccines to get for your child. But you do this because somebody has to choose and not because you are making a choice as if you are your child.


# It assumes the child needs forgiveness from God and claims that when a child is baptised God and the child start a spiritual love relationship. If it did not judge the child as anti-God it would not be necessary and could wait until the child can make a mature decision. The judging of a child as having original sin is extraordinary in an age that sees how bad judging is.


#It violates the fact that you must never accuse anybody of being estranged from God especially a child. Religion should be spelled out in such a way that no harm is done should the religion prove to be false.

#It is evil to dedicate a child to a God or religion that accuses her or him of original sin. There are many other dreadful doctrines in Christianity and despite

making very serious claims, the faith does not care to give satisfactory evidence to support these claims. That is abusive and only leads to chaos for people will see through this con. It is insane to imagine that such a religion will be good for your child - it is good in the way daily junk food is good but there will come a day when the health will be ruined.


#It is evil to say baptism gives the supernatural gift of faith in Christianity to the child for that is saying that God should reject or punish the child if she grows up to be a Muslim or atheist! It would mean the child has nobody to blame for herself if her Christian faith does not flourish or becomes heretical.


#A religion that cares about your consent will not accept converts easily. It will not accept them until it is sure they have examined the reasons for staying out of the religion and found them wanting. If we were all given a fair and real choice between different religions few of us would choose Catholicism. There is no room for the notion that the child would probably choose the church if able so it is not intended to be a form of taking advantage.


#If baptism is a man-made superstition it has no real authority to forgive sin or subject you to the membership or law of any Church. It is as meaningful as a man declaring that he said a prayer that gives him ownership of all the souls in the world.


#People can live good lives without being religious. It is vindictive to make duties that can be done without or to impose them on a child. Yet this is done when the child is baptised. It is taking advantage of babies to baptise them into Catholicism. Church responsibilities and duties are imposed on them. That is to say judgement is required if they neglect them. Baptising a child into the Catholic Church is urging and committing the child to grow up believing he must obey the canon law of the Church. This has consequences for the child. The child is obligated to oppose abortion even if hypothetically it saves 999 out of every 1000 women. The child is obligated to believe that if he dies in sin he should suffer forever in Hell. The child is obligated to obey the Church's laws about marriage. He cannot contract a same-sex marriage. He cannot remarry if his valid Catholic marriage breaks down and the wife is still alive. He will be barred from any position in the Church if he disagrees with Church teaching. If he condemns Jesus for defending the savage God of the Old Testament he becomes a blasphemer under church law. The child is obligated to go to Mass on Sundays and Holydays on pain of grave sin. He will be obligated to learn religion from the Church instead of having a real religious education which tells you the pros and cons of faith and celebrates your decision to leave the Church if you wish. The Church claims the right to punish those who break the law of the Church and who won't repent. It isn't always able to punish but it is the principle that counts. Nobody has the right to seal a child in a law like that! The answer to the problem of how baptism puts you under Church law is, “But the Church is a family. A family needs rules. Yet the family is more important than any rules.”That is only an excuse. A family being a family does not mean the rules don't matter enough. A family can have bad or silly rules that need opposition. And the reality is the Church is NOT A FAMILY. If you end up homeless in a strange country, you will not be able to call on Catholics in that country the way you can call on your own flesh and blood.


#A child should have the right to sue the parents who put her in a religion of lies and deceit without her consent. Or you could sue the priest who wanted you enrolled in the system of conditioning created by the Church and got your parents to make an uninformed choice and then splashed you.


CONCLUSION: Do the right thing. Resist any pressure to have your baby baptised. I don't believe any parent would bring their child for baptism if they read this article and were informed correctly and honestly.




Baptism makes babies a member of a religion without their consent. That is terrible enough. But it is done without their INFORMED consent which is worse. There is little concern for the parent's informed consent as well! The priests don't care if the parents hardly know Catholic doctrine so they don't really respect their choice either when it comes to baptising babies.


Parents would be told why or why not they should get babies baptised. They never are. Buddhism and Witchcraft believe in refusing those who wish to convert. This is not that they are rejecting the people, it is to ensure they are doing their best to make a convinced and final choice which can only be an informed choice. When such a choice is made, the person will be welcomed into the religion. No other religions are as respectful of those who come to them.


It is bad enough to put a child in a religion that way but it is worse to put them into Catholicism. That is because Catholicism makes the child a subject of its canon law by baptism. It is the most illiberal of many illiberal religions.


Baptism suggests that the religion is more important than the rights of the babies and what is best for them when their consent is so unimportant. The notion that there are many things we have to decide for our young without their consent does nothing at all to show that they can be baptised without their consent. If you have the right to have your child vaccinated without her consent, that does not give you the right to have her baptised. There is no evidence that baptism is going to do her spirit any good. You cannot have evidence the same way as you can have evidence that vaccination is best.


Baptism is, at least in Catholic thought, negatively a removal of supernatural powers that hinder the child from going to God and obeying him through his Church and positively a dedication to God and the teachings he has given the Church. It is a vow and marriage with God.


Nobody has the right to take a vow to what they don't understand. It is worse when they are forced to take the vow. And for most people baptism is claimed to open the child up to something - but when they don't know what they are being opened up to is that right?


You cannot assume that the baby would consent to a rite that accuses him of being unfit to go near God and offers him a relationship with a petty God who rejected him. The baptism is an attempt to force magical influences and abilities and religion on the baby. It is not just because she is a baby who can't consent but also because of the downside of the faith represented by the baptism.


In a tolerant society we respect other's principles. We respect the right of a Muslim to go to Mosque on a Friday even if it upsets lots of people and his employer. Some parents are against having their babies baptised as a matter of principle. They might be atheists. The Christians bully and pressure them to have the babies baptised. And those who argue ,"But if you don't believe its only a harmless splash with water - don't be a weirdo and resist getting little Joanie baptised" are enablers of that bigotry. They are bigots themselves for they know society needs to progress and if you suppress a challenge to its superstitions you are holding it back and being unfair to the person's right to challenge.


Baptism is a promise to have them indoctrinated by the Christian religion when they are so vulnerable and easily conditioned and by people who don’t have the expertise or the honesty to look into religion objectively to see what is best for the child. There is a lot of harmful religion and harmful spirituality about. The philosophy with the least mysteries (eg how God could be one God in three persons or bread could be flesh without any discernable physical change) is the one that children should be exposed to if any. The less mystery the more credibility and security. Religion is full of rules that it says the human mind cannot understand but which God does for he knows best which makes it dangerous. What if a woman dies over not having an abortion though it was necessary to save her life? The Church says this is God’s law for abortion is never tolerable or right. It adds that God knows what he is doing and he sometimes makes laws that seem odd just because he sees that having them pushes chance in such a direction that our spiritual betterment is implemented for everything that happens has direct and indirect effects and short-term and long-term effects. But what if the Church is wrong about God and what if there is no God? We have a woman that died over a fanatical so-called mystery. But God is only a belief and nobody has the right to die for it or ask others to die for it or encourage such deaths in any way.


The view that children need to be entered into a religion instead of doing the hard work to find a religion that suits them is invalid. It is learning to be good citizens that they need and that is simple. If religion should be at the heart of your life as the command of Christ suggested when he said, “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and all thy strength and all thy mind and this is the greatest commandment of them all” (Mark 12:28-31) then it is wrong to discourage searching no matter how hard the searching will be.


The doctrine of the Church that children have original sin which needs baptism to be forgiven and to undo the bias it causes towards sin is a sectarian and bigoted thesis. It accuses those who do not have their children baptised of harming them and risking causing them to harm others. It is accepted that people who believe people outside their sect are inferior are bigots and this is socially opposed these days so baptism should be opposed as well. And we see no difference between baptised and unbaptised children. In fact Muslims are often holier than baptised people. The doctrine is laced with bigotry.


If God is really good he can forgive original sin without baptism and should if he has any sense. By letting it effect us at all he proves himself worse than the Devil for the Devil only asks you to sin but God gives you the inclination to frequently rebel. God made the laws that caused original sin.


Original sin is in essence my self-will, I want my own way and not God’s way. We never stop being like that. If God asked you to endure extreme torments forever and ever (Hell is the absence of God so I am not talking about Hell here) to save two strangers from eternal torture in Hell would you do it? Of course not. And yet you say you love the Lord your God with all your heart. So it is a deliberate lie for the Church to tell us that baptism takes original sin away and reduces its bad effects. What is the point of entering your child into an institution that gives it an example like that?


The Church demands that babies be baptised. It claims that baptism has mystical and supernatural power to heal the babies of spiritual harm. Where is the research to back this claim up? The priests are quacks. You only have to look around you to see that baptism makes no difference. If you subject your baby to a healing ritual that does nothing instead of looking for one that does, then do you love your child as much as you love the approval of the Church? The priests claim that spiritual health is the most important health of all for Jesus said that it profits a man nothing to gain the whole world and lose out spiritually. If they can be quacks then why should the medical quacks who look up to them worry? What a lovely example baptism sets for the world! Think of the poor child who finds no magical power in him because of baptism and he wonders why he cannot believe or do what the Church says.


If God wants us to be involved in religion then he will use his psychic influence on us to make us see the truth and the religion that teaches it which is one reason why the Christians say that faith is a gift from God that cannot be naturally explained. Baptism allegedly infuses faith so it supports this evil notion. This notion is responsible for the suspicion that exists between religions for it means there is no excuse for being wrong except being sinful and lazy and imprudent which is not an excuse. It helps cause violence. The truth is that theology is just human thinking and you should believe what you think is right which shows that Churches are just a scam to limit your right to think.


Sacraments, symbolic rites like baptism and communion that actually confer grace (the help from God that enables one to do God’s will), are blasphemous and superstitious. Any decent God will give grace when you are open to it and need it and will not wait until you undertake a rite. If God comes first (and Jesus said he alone should be loved) you need to be totally sure the rites will work which is impossible. If we could be very good by effort and prayer there would be no need for sacraments so they urge you to be imperfect so that you will need them. You cannot put God first if you believe you should not be very good until you get his grace to improve your virtue in a sacrament which is not very inspiring! If we may believe that we need sacraments to get grace what is to stop us believing that we need to give the pope money or let him sleep with our children to get grace?


Religion encourages the deadly vice of credulity and has the nerve to deny it. For example, if the apostles satisfied themselves that Jesus did indeed rise from the dead which does not amount to much for they were ordinary men and were not expert psychologists, theologians and scientists then we should not believe them for it is more likely a mistake has been made and/or a lie has been told. If we are going to believe them then we should believe all zany tall tales. Indeed, when religion is unable to control what its people are influenced by they soon go off the rails and pollute everything with nonsense and stupidity that is often even worse than the nonsense taught by the religion. This teaching about the apostles is not based on a bias against miracles. Even if you believe in miracles, you are not supposed to accept miracle claims that are flawed.


Baby baptism tries to make the child biased in favour of the faith if she never has to decide if she wants to continue with it or not. The child can feel she is dishonouring her family and parents if she rejects her baptism implicitly or explicitly.


From every angle, baby baptism as harmful and nice as it seems is worthy only of disdain and disgust.


There is an alternative to baby baptism.


The alternative respects their freedom. This alternative involves several things. The main, is not to have them baptised but to let them hear about different religions that they can make their own decision about religion later in life. Later in life, they will be more mature and better able to find out what faith or none suits them the best – everybody is so different. This alternative treats them as people not as statistics. It promotes thinking for themselves and helps prevent sectarian bigotry from getting a grip on them. It counsels that they be taught not by word but example about being good so that they will be noble because they are noble and for no other reason including god or baptism or religion.